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Why I Voted for the Ambulance Reimbursement

It is simply unfair to ask our taxpayers to pay for ambulances while we give insurance companies a free ride.

 

On May 15, I voted along with five of my colleagues (a 6-3 vote) in favor of , services which are now supported by Montgomery County taxpayers.

Ambulance service is commonly covered by insurers. Medicare and Medicaid cover it. So do major private insurers including the BlueCross BlueShield Service Benefit PlanCareFirstKaiser PermanenteUnited HealthcareGovernment Employees Health Association, the Maryland Health Insurance Plan and many more.

If you have any of these plans, you are paying for ambulance coverage now, in your premium. But the county isn’t billing the insurers for it. The insurers are just keeping the money that they collect by charging you for the coverage.

Most surrounding jurisdictions bill insurers, including Prince George’s County (which collects $11.5 million a year), Fairfax County ($15.5 million) and the District of Columbia ($20 million). Most Maryland jurisdictions also bill insurers.

Our county government estimates that we are leaving more than $17 million on the table by not charging a reimbursement. It is simply unfair to ask our taxpayers to pay for ambulances while we give insurance companies a free ride.

Opponents of the reimbursement argue that residents will be so frightened by the prospect of paying for service that they will not call for help in an emergency. The fire chief for Prince William County (VA), which charges a reimbursement, rebutted this allegation in testimony to our County Council. He said: “This is simply unfounded and I can tell you that Prince William County has not experienced any decline in EMS incidents. In fact, we’re having an increase in EMS call volume consistent with our population.”

The fire chief for Anne Arundel County, which also collects a reimbursement, testified, that “There has been no reduction in call volume consistent with the introduction of the Fee for Service program. In fact, our call volume continues to increase at the steady rate of approximately 5 percent per year. In the three years since the program started, no county resident has paid any money out of pocket for an ambulance transport when transported by a county ambulance.”

Nevertheless, many Montgomery County voters believed residents would be directly billed for ambulance service when they rejected a reimbursement law in 2010, when I was first elected to the council. That is why I added the following language to the new law:

Section 21-23A(f)(1) and (2)

County residents must not be required to pay any out-of-pocket expense relating to any emergency medical services transport because residents are deemed to have paid any co-payment, deductible, or uninsured portion of the cost of each emergency medical services transport through taxes paid to the County. Tax revenues the County receives must be treated as payment, on behalf of County residents, of the balance of each resident’s portion of the emergency medical services transport reimbursement charge that is not covered by the resident’s insurance.

This language guarantees that county residents will never pay out of pocket. Only insurers will pay.

With this protection in place, I believe the primary question is: Who should pay the approximately $17 million in fire and rescue services this fee would cover? Should it be residents? Local businesses? Or insurance companies?

Residents who are in tune with the tax increases and spending cuts we have had to make in recent years know that the County Executive and County Council are not crying wolf about our fiscal difficulties.

I understand that the voters rejected a reimbursement law at the ballot box two years ago. Supporting this new law is not a position I take lightly, but I believe fully that I am doing just what I was elected to do—make sound decisions to benefit the whole community and not back down in the face of adversity.

This bill may also go to referendum, where the voters can reconsider the issue. I am confident that when voters understand that this new law protects them from paying any bills or fees, they will support it.

I hope you will, too. I welcome comments on my blog or my Facebook page.

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Peter Mork May 17, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Mr. Riemer, it is courage like this vote that reminds me why I voted for you. Thank you!
Michael Shapiro May 17, 2012 at 01:51 pm
I'm somewhat confused by the arguments made by some of the responders. This is the classic case of many of those who want to cut taxes and fees, while not cutting services. It just does not compute.
Do you think that the ambulance services are free? You are actually paying for them, in your taxes. As to the insurance question, there seems to be some confusion, here. Health insurance, while it is somewhat based on actuarial estimates of future use, it is primarily a method of spreading risk among a larger group of people. What some people need to do is process the fact that, currently, we are paying for these services used by individuals in PG, Anne Arundel, DC, etc., within our health insurance. Additionally, we pay for the services, in MoCo, within our tax bills. People should do a little exploration before jumping to conclusions.
Jeff Hawkins May 17, 2012 at 02:09 pm
Michael:
How do you feel about referendums? Should the results of a referendum be totally disregarded? Should referendums even be allowed? Are referendums equally confusing? What is that elected servant of the people saying to his or her constituents when he or she ignores the majority of those same constituents he represents. That to me is indeed "confusing" and some other choices words I won't use here.
Michael Shapiro May 17, 2012 at 03:02 pm
Actually, the concept of representative democracy is that you elect representatives, based on a, generally, shared set of interests/values. At that point, you allow them to be able to spend more time exploring and issue and use their best judgement.
If you allow the concept of a referendum to take precedence over any and every decision made by an elected body, you negate the purpose of that body and make all of the work that they do a waste of time. To confirm, all you need to do is look at your email and see the things that are forwarded and reforwarded to your mailbox, most of which are easily proven to be false, yet many people believe every word.
jag May 17, 2012 at 03:33 pm
I'm glad the law has clarified that no residents will ever be charged this fee. Only insurers who cover emergency transport will be charged. If it's a legitimate insurance claim, why on earth would we hand insurers $17,000,000 a year in additional profit instead of filing for reimbursment? Just for the fun of paying for the service twice - once through insurance premiums and once through taxes? Of course most jurisdictions in the region seek reimbursement. That's what our current premiums pay for!
Jeff Hawkins May 17, 2012 at 03:39 pm
Michael,
I take it then you feel referendums should not be allowed and the results ignored. I would submit to you that ignoring a referendum by the people is "negating" the people themselves. Nobody was suggesting that a referendum be allowed for "every decision made by the elected body", but when one IS put on the ballot it should be obeyed. Pretty simple really..........
Peter Mork May 17, 2012 at 04:20 pm
In my opinion, referendums need to be respected, although they should only be invoked for major decisions. This particular referendum is akin to asking the public if the county should use the US Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or the International Financial Reporting Standards. This question doesn't even rise to the level of a tax increase (which are often approved without referendum). The referendum should be reserved for changes to the fundamental bylaws of the organization (e.g., constitutional amendments or alterations to a city charter).
In this case, the county council needed to set aside the referendum because it was not a good barometer of public will. The opposition to the ambulance cost reimbursement conflated real concerns (which have since been addressed) with imagined problems, such that the outcome of the referendum hinged more on one's ability to sift through disinformation than on true preferences. Thus, given the exceptional nature of the referendum, the council displayed courage (see the initial comments) in setting it aside. Moreover, we (the voters) should not be subjected to a referendum vote over an accounting issue like this one.
Jeff Hawkins May 17, 2012 at 04:34 pm
Peter,
"In my opinion, referendums need to be respected, although they should only be invoked for major decisions." Only if you agree with the outcome :)) ? Who gets to define what a major decision is? Your intial thought was correct, referendums shoud be respected.
MocoLoco May 17, 2012 at 05:01 pm
There is <fat> that you could trim from the county budget. You didn't need to pass this law which, very importantly, disrespects a recent demonstration of DIRECT democracy through the referendum process. If you're looking for budget cuts, start by getting rid of that costly program that permits 90% of our police officers to retire on full disability for an inconsequential injury. And don't tell me that you've done this by bringing down the compensation rate from 70% to 67% or whatever it is. Trim the fat, and THEN figure out what extra money you need from voters.
Donald Mowbray May 17, 2012 at 05:46 pm
You did not do what you were elected to do! You were elected (over the objections of many of the voters) to represent the will of the of the citizens. That will was expressed the the referendum vote against this feel. You FAILED to do your job. Your position on council is not your personal fifedum to get into the taxpayer's pockets to spend as you please. Fire and EMS are among the fundamental services citizens have a right to expect for our existing taxes.
Peter Mork May 17, 2012 at 06:01 pm
Jeff, normally I would agree. However, in this case the results of the referendum are ambiguous. Take, for example, the comment (below) from Mr. Mowbray: "... to get into the taxpayer's pockets to spend as you please." The ambulance issue has nothing to do with spending taxpayers' money. Fire and EMS remain "fundamental services [that] citizens have a right to expect." The only difference is that when a person has insurance that pays for ambulance services, we (the county) now expect for the insurance company to pay. I was at the polling place the day of the referendum, and the misinformation I heard was appalling. I did not leave with the impression that people knew what was going on.
So, the issue (for me) is not whether or not I agree with the outcome, but whether or not the outcome was obtained in a reasonable way.
Michael Shapiro May 17, 2012 at 06:34 pm
@Peter Mork...You said it better than I did. Some of the responders, such as Mr. Mowbray and MoCoLoco) apparently do not understand the concept of representative democracy, a system under which we all live.
Of course, we would all like to get rid of the "fat" in county, state, and federal budgets. The problem is that virtually every situation of removing the fat either is anecdotal and does not account for a significant part of the budget and/or is your fat and someone else's necessity. Again, it is our job to elect representatives who subscribe to our general philosophy and allow them to make decisions. If you continue with the concept of putting every decision, with which you (or someone else) disagrees to a referendum, it is easy to become like California (i.e. totally ungovernable.) Or you can look at the plebiscites in the Saar in the 1930s.
BL in Bethesda May 17, 2012 at 06:48 pm
Another politician blowing their horn for charging the sheeple more for a service they're supposed to provide. Why do we have taxes MD that are TWICE as high as neighboring Virginia? That is a subject they should be looking into. The fallacy in Mr. Riemer's article is that if we charge insurers for this service, then our insurance rates will increase as well as our taxes. Vote him out and elect someone who understands simple economics!
jag May 17, 2012 at 07:04 pm
"The fallacy in Mr. Riemer's article is that if we charge insurers for this service, then our insurance rates will increase as well as our taxes."
Good lord. It's like a Twilight Zone episode on this site. Your provider already includes emergency transport in your insurance and those rates are regional. The price is built in to your premium already because all the other counties already collect on the fees. Your beloved VA collects these fees, as does DC, as does most of the rest of the state. Hence why it makes no sense for MoCo to continue wasting our tax dollars on a service that is covered by our insurance premiums. It's a dumb redundancy and I can't believe liberal ol' me needs to point out that it's a waste of county funds and my tax dollars to cover the cost just so insurance companies can line their pockets with the money. It's the same thing as you saying "I'm going to pay for this hospital visit out of pocket instead of having insurance cover it because that'll mean my insurance rates won't go up!" It's illogical and completely contradicts the entire point of paying the premiums in the first place. MoCo should seek reimbursement just like everyone else.
Jeff Hawkins May 17, 2012 at 07:13 pm
Peter:
"I was at the polling place the day of the referendum, and the misinformation I heard was appalling. I did not leave with the impression that people knew what was going on." Peter, I believe that sentiment could be applied to any election/poll that we have. Unless you want to start requiring a test of some sort on the issues and candidates prior to the people casting their vote, we are going to have to trust the will of the people. For me, it's not the outcome of the referendum that matters the most, it's the process that must be respected. I think we agree on that point? "So, the issue (for me) is not whether or not I agree with the outcome, but whether or not the outcome was obtained in a reasonable way." Can you think of a more reasonable way than a vote by the citizen's? If the referendum results had gone the other way, would you still feel the same way about it being obtained in a reasonable way or not?
BL in Bethesda May 17, 2012 at 07:32 pm
The ignorance is overwhelming. "just so insurance companies can line thier pockets!" The health insurers pass thru the cost of providing services, so if thier costs go up so do our premiums. Just because MoCo does not currently charge for a service they're supposed to provide for free doesn't mean the insurers will be making any more money...it's an average. And further since the issue was already put to the people in a referendum, what gives this elected official the right to overturn the will of the people? And while we're at it, why can Virginia run a gov't for roughly half of what Maryland spends per capita?
BL in Bethesda May 17, 2012 at 07:36 pm
Sorry Frank, I don't know what rock you live under, but Virginia's top personal rate is 5.75 as you say, while Marland's top personal rate is 9.75 and now going higher.
MocoLoco May 17, 2012 at 07:36 pm
Frank--What is the add-on income tax rate in Montgomery County and PG County? And, how does that compare to Virginia? I believe it's another 3.2%. Please re-run your math.
Peter Mork May 17, 2012 at 07:45 pm
It's quite likely that my observations apply to most any election or poll, and thus it is certainly a question of degree. However, at some point the boundaries of credulity get pushed too far. In fact, some referendums are rejected by the courts because the materials supplied to the voters are overly misleading. I think that this referendum, while not quite rising to that standard, came close and thus, instead of the courts voiding the vote, it was the county council that did so.
Where we might disagree is whether or not the people (the majority) is always right. In certain circumstances, I find it appropriate to overrule the will of the people. For example, when it comes to civil liberties, the majority tend to allow these liberties to be curtailed (which is not to imply that ambulance fees have anything to do with civil liberties). A constitution or charter provides one check against simple majority rule. A representative government provides another check. Yes, by default, the will of the people should be respected, but that is a default that can (and should) be overturned under the right circumstances. I believe this to be one such scenario.
jag May 17, 2012 at 07:55 pm
BL, "The health insurers pass thru the cost of providing services, so if thier costs go up so do our premiums."
First off, no, that's not actually true. They could absorb the cost - that happens all the time in a competitive marketplace and is a very fundamental aspect of capitalism. But anyways, even assuming you're right, then you basically are restating my joke logic of "I'm going to pay for this hospital visit out of pocket instead of having insurance cover it because that'll mean my insurance rates won't go up!" Insurance rates are regional; most all neighboring jurisdictions already legitimately require insurance to cover this cost, which is already factored into the rate you or your employer pay. You, personally, paying out of pocket in my joke or MoCo paying for transport out of pocket as they needless have been have a negligible impact on the cost of your premium. Rates most certainly will not go up $17 mil (the amount the county expects to be paid every year by insurers) worth for MoCo residents. I don't think there's any debate at all that MoCo coffers come out ahead and it's not at the expense of resident's pocketbooks (which I find to be a nice change of pace, personally).
Jeff Hawkins May 17, 2012 at 07:56 pm
Peter:
"Where we might disagree is whether or not the people (the majority) is always right." Agreed, the majority might not always be right (who is?). In addition to that though is that the elected body might not always be right either. Rather than have the citizen's suffer at perhaps misguided laws and decisions, it can put together a referendum to correct those mistakes. It's a scary thought to think that an elected body could easily and without recourse "rule" us. We will have to agree to disagree.
jag May 17, 2012 at 08:01 pm
Both Frank and MocoLoco are right (unless I'm out of date). MD's base tax rate is lower than VA's, but counties in MD also charge income tax. It's a setup akin to living in a city or township (though if you live in a city or township while living in MoCo, enjoy paying a third tier of taxes! Lucky for me, downtown Silver Spring remains unincorporated :P).
George Williams May 17, 2012 at 08:41 pm
This is no longer an argument about the ambulance FEE. There was a vigorous debate. The pro-FEE side, led by Leggett, spent over $100,000 to promote the FEE, it went to a referendum vote 18 months ago and was soundly defeated by a margin of more than 20,000 votes. What this is really all about, is respecting voters and the democratic process. I attended the public hearing on this May 8th and it was a sham. One of the many distortions I heard from the dais was ‘The 140,000+ voters, who voted against the fee were confused by the language of the referendum question.’ This statement is an insult to voters in general, but it is ridiculous, because the Montgomery County Council’s own Senior Legislative Attorney, Mike Faden, reviewed and reworked the language of the referendum. After he was done with it, the County Council reviewed and tweaked it, then voted for it. It’s a bit specious to now say that that the referendum’s language was confusing. Maybe the voters misunderstood, when candidates like Hans Reimer were elected to office… we’d better call those votes into question as well.
lilkunta May 17, 2012 at 09:12 pm
The discussion here by all commenters is wonderful.
I do feel the voice/will of the people should have been respected. In 2010 we said NO and that should have been it. Now the Mo Co council has superceded us. I hope this goes for referendum and when we AGAIN vote NO AMB FEE will this 2nd no vote be respected?
Jim Burnetti May 19, 2012 at 12:33 am
You voted to increase our health insurance premiums. Nothing is for free. And are you going to help us when the insurance company argues that the ambulance ride was unnecessary - because you didn't die after all - and refuses to reimburse us for the ride? Great year. Did you give the gov the idea about the RETROACTIVE tax increase too?
jag May 19, 2012 at 06:35 pm
"and are you going to help us when the insurance company argues that the ambulance ride was unnecessary - because you didn't die after all - and refuses to reimburse us for the ride?"
Jim, you don't pay for the fee and then seek reimbursement from your insurer. If you have insurance that covers ambulance transportation then the county files a claim for your insurer to meet their financial obligation. It drives me nuts to think about the 100+ million dollars the county has neglected to claim over the years and instead needlessly taxed me for the service. I assume all our neighboring counties in VA and MD as well as DC handle the collections the same way. That'd be awful if those residents have to fill out the paperwork for claims. Dealing with insurers sucks.
ED May 22, 2012 at 12:18 am
I have yet to see anyone bring up their car insurance or their home owner's insurance - both of which rates are set by your location. Some of the first questions at any hospital are "was this a car accident", "was this a workman's comp accident", "did this happen at a home"? Health insurance does not pay for any service that may be covered under another policy. I agree that this should not have been introduced after a recent referendum. I was appalled when Nancy Floreen stated "I checked my health insurance policy and it was covered" or when Councilmember Rice stated that his father read the newspaper and supported the fee when it came to referendum, but his mother watched TV and opposed it. Does the Council really think the voters are complete idiots that can not be trusted? If that is true, how did they get elected - by idiots? Councilmembers Andrews, Berliner, and Leventhal are the only Councilmembers that gave the voters any respect. I have a lot of problems with this fee and can only hope it comes up as a referendum again. Unlike some of our Councilmembers, I will respect whatever the majority of voters want - although I may decide to leave because all of these taxes and fees are just not worth the services I receive.
Up Is Up May 25, 2012 at 05:20 pm
Actually the fire and rescue costs were a part of our tax base, unfortunately the overspending in the county has created a deficit and now they blame the insurers. You must respect a referendum, I voted for the tax originally, however it was voted down, live with what the voters have declared. If you want to charge the insurance company, then please give the 18M back to the voters in tax rebates. The county needs to find ways to cut spending, plain and simple. Hans Riemer did not get the message. If you think insurers will absorb 18M and not change fees you know nothing about insurance. I can tell you from being in business, my insurance costs go up if claims submitted by my employees are greater than my premiums. I understand the region concept, but reality is reality.
lilkunta May 25, 2012 at 07:01 pm
up is up :wonderfully said. I have no doubt insurance premiums will now go up since amb fees must be paid.
Online addict May 25, 2012 at 07:45 pm
Go after the insurers! Reimer and the council are doing what is best for all county residents. It would be like having your car totalled and not getting a check from your insurance company because you were afraid your rates would go up. Have to agree that the fire and rescue folks are crying wolf, but I am not so sure what their dog is in the fight; but when they came by my house for the yearly donations they made it seem Iike my ambulance fees would skyrocket but when I asked why, they made lots of non-sensical arguments, which I knew were boilerplate garbage....I wrote my yearly checked, smiled and thought it's a good thing we have a rock-solid County Council to see through the smoke screen....
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