Speak Out: An Arena at Shady Grove Metro?
Revived plan for an arena could add a new dimension to an area on the verge of growth.
An investor group has renewed its effort to build an arena in Montgomery County.
The plan calls for an 8,000-seat arena at the Shady Grove Metro station.
County officials are backing the effort.
Steven A. Silverman, the county’s economic development director, told The Washington Post that the arena could solve a longstanding problem for county high schools: There isn’t a facility in the county large enough to host most graduation ceremonies.
This graduation season, 21 of 32 graduations from county schools and programs are being held at DAR Constitution Hall in Washington, DC, according to a news release from the county school system.
The Shady Grove Sector Plan, which calls for mixed-use development centered around the Metro station, and the development of a "Science City" centered around the Shady Grove Life Sciences Center, are expected to transform the area in the coming years.
What do you think of the plan to build an arena at the Shady Grove Metro station? Would a venue for graduations, sports, concerts and large community gatherings be welcomed? Would it add to concerns about traffic in and around Shady Grove? Is Shady Grove the right place for such an arena?
Bill Redmond
2:01 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
They need to replace the lost parking spaces.
The increase in traffic will be a problem for me.
The uncertainty in the cost ($40M-$120M) is troubling but if it's privately-funded, then that is the developers' problem, not mine.
I don't want to see it become a white elephant.
Lezlie Crosswhite
11:30 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
And what pray tell will they do with this arena the other 335 days of the year? Why don't high schools use Strathmore Hall?
Piotr Gajewski
8:17 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Lezlie,
I am not advocating one way or the other with this message, but just a fact: the Music Center at Strathmore (where, as Music Director of the National Philharmonic, I have an office) does host some high school graduations, but, frankly, at 2,000 seats, it is too small for most (which is why they are held at Constitution Hall or, in some cases, very large churches).
jnrentz1
9:32 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
How much does it cost to have graduations at DAR Constitution Hall?
Lezlie Crosswhite
10:02 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Maybe instead of building a huge hall at what will inevitably tax payer expense and most assuredly inconvenience and gridlock, why not limit the number of invitations to graduates? I know someone who brought both sets of divorced and remarried parents, all the siblings, and a cousin. Is this really necessary?
Piotr Gajewski
11:52 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
My son graduated from Richard Montgomery last year and there were indeed limits on the number of tickets. Based on those limits, Music Center at Strathmore would have been way too small (the graduation was at Constitution Hall).
I think high school graduations are just a side benefit of this proposed arena, the driving factor must be investor profit based on economic analysis of demonstrated need.
I live in King Farm, just a few blocks from the proposed site. From my perch I can see both up sides and down sides.
Bill Redmond
9:28 am on Monday, June 11, 2012
@Lezli - Several points:
One of the developers owns a minor league basketball team but the story I read didn't say that he was planning on moving them to this arena. They are talking about other events like concerts, shows ("Sesame St. Live?"), etc.
One story I read claimed that no public money would be used (except possibly part of the land procurement expense?).
Yes, inviting all of the family to graduation is necessary but not often allowed. Do you really think that it is unreasonable to expect families to want to be present at graduation? I grew up in a family of five boys and all of us attended each graduation. Close families do that. We would have had to beg tickets from another family to bring six family members to a graduation in the DC area today. We heard a story over the weekend about a lone sibling who had to sit by herself because each family was given two seats up front (for the parents) and other guests (up to four) had to sit in the back.
Lezlie Crosswhite
11:26 am on Monday, June 11, 2012
I never believe the claim that no public money will be used. That area is saturated with traffic already. Who is going to pay to improve the roads? The developer? That seldom happens in MoCo; the county rolls out the red carpet for developers and lets them do what they jolly well please.
The county council seems to hide their head in the sand and doesn't want to deal with the additional gridlock and intense traffic issues that any new construction will cause.
7000 seat auditiorium! Even if half the people use metro (which is a generous estimate), that's 3500 cars on their way to an evening event during rush hour traffic. Oy. Just what we need!
If the original reason is so that no one has to trek down to DAR once every 4 years for a graduation, it's a poor, poor use of funds. If graduation is that important to families, then going to DAR is something to look forward to.
Jeff Hawkins
9:49 am on Monday, June 11, 2012
Will this be next to "the refuse center"? i.e. the "dump"
Bill Redmond
1:54 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
MVA has recently distorted everybody's sense of direction (Shady Grove used to run east-west and now it runs north-south?).
Using north-south MD355 as a reference, on the north side of the dump is open land, on the south side of the dump is light industrial/commercial (Midas, Storage, etc), followed by Reed Bros., followed by CarMax, followed by the MCTFCU. They are talking about using land currently used for Metro parking. Since most of the flat parking on the east side of Metro has been converted to garage parking, they must be talking about the west-side lot behind Reed Bros and CarMax.
I saw an article recently in Patch or The Gazette that the County has their eye on the Reed Bros. property as well. No indication that Reed Bros. is interested in selling the land.
Greg Cohen
1:01 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
As evidenced by the thread of comments, the issue here is and continues to be a graduation venue for MoCo public schools. Quite frankly, I've heard from enough parents and educators over the years that they enjoy the prestige of DAR for their commencements.
The schools do, in fact, have limits on attendees and you usually have to submit an application to be approved for additional tickets.
I don't think this proposed venue brings in enough concerts/events outside of the May/June graduation ceremonies to be truly feasible.
Zinzindor
1:56 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
There has been a lot of slop in the estimate of costs. As Bill points out, $40M - 120M is a really big spread. The _Post_ reported in May that the sponsor group might seek public funding for certain infrastructure -- e.g., sewers, lighting, parking. (Parking?!). I agree with Lezlie that more tax money is likely to go into this.
As far as other uses, there is some discussion about concerts. It's a good thing the county has sunk taxpayer money into any concert halls lately (cough Strathmore Hall and the Montgomery College Cultural Arts Center and the Black Rock Center cough). White elephant, Bill, indeed.
So where's the push for this? The guy chosen to lead this project owns a professional basketball team, and has been searching for a permanent locale for a while now.
I've got no problem with this being built, and the development group claims they have the financing lined up. So keep MoCo Dept of Economic and Business Development and the Maryland Stadium Authority (another promoter of the arena) out of it, and certainly no tax funds should be part of this deal.
Bill Redmond
2:01 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
@Lezli - Just reporting what I read on Patch, The Gazette, WaPo, etc. King Farm is a perfect example of a developer getting a slide on providing infrastructure upgrades and it is across the street from the proposed arena. Traffic will definitely get tougher on the evening of events. I already avoid the area in the evening.
@Greg - DAR is a nice hall, albeit small.
@Jeff - The new housing that will replace the current RideOn EMOC (when it moves across the street from the Crabbs Branch Giant) will be closer to the dump.
Lezlie Crosswhite
2:25 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
Although there is almost always a few parking spots available at Shady Grove metro, if they take away that surface lot on the west side of the tracks (the 355 side), they will be back to where they started -- and the reason they built the 2nd garage on the east side of the tracks: Not enough parking!
Making it difficult to find a spot to park in addition to the hefty parking fee already in place -- not to mention the poor service, disorganization of WMATA, WMATA safety issues, and of course rate hikes -- will do even more to actively discourage ridership on Metro.
We don't need another stadium. We need improved and widened roads, realistic and useable public transportation, and a metro system that actually works. That's not as sexy as a stadium though.
Tom Rossing
4:27 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
All of your arguments are backed by single-occupancy vehicle dependency, which is an issue that we should be getting away from. The use of mass transit to get to an from the subway is a much better solution than driving your car, and cheaper. This multi-use facility would provide a much needed space for events that are not appropriate at Strathmore Hall, and at the same time maintain the revenue generated by these events here in Montgomery County.
Lezlie Crosswhite
5:31 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
We "should be" doing a lot of things. Getting away from vehicle dependency, especially in an area NOT designed for walking/biking and with a metro system that has huge gaps in its coverage area, is NOT going to happen any time soon.
You can force people out of their cars when they don't have other transportation options, no matter how inconvenient you make it by adding unnecessary, perhaps even frivolous, multi use facilities.
As for mass transit being cheaper, that really depends upon where you going and what time of day, how long it will take you to get there, and will it matter if you are late or a complete no-show due to mass transit issues.
Can you list even a dozen events a month that would use this "much needed" even space? Besides graduations?
Lezlie Crosswhite
5:31 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
oops, sorry, I meant you cannot force people out of their cars when they don't have other transportaiton options.
County2Lane
12:14 pm on Thursday, June 21, 2012
The Reed Brothers site currently is being planned for about 400 apartments by the Silverwood Companies. Development over over 4,000 residential units around the Shady Grove Metro. Parking is being planned using structured garages.
Ultimately, with all those new residents (paying taxes and fees) there will be plenty of use for an arena. And most of those folks could walk there.
Lezlie Crosswhite
12:34 pm on Thursday, June 21, 2012
I would ask the same question I posed to Tom Rossing:
Can you list even a dozen events a month that would use this "much needed" event space? Besides graduations?
Ambd
1:30 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
Anyone who proposes more development around the Shady Grove Metro station (this means you, Ike Leggett and County Council) needs to ride the metro to and from Shady Grove to downtown every day for a month during the rush hours and see how crowded and miserable an experience it has become for Montgomery Cty residents. Then perhaps they will realize how ridiculous it is to even think about further development in the Shady Grove area without ensuring the necessary infrastructure and transportation improvements are made IN ADVANCE of the development.
Lezlie Crosswhite
1:48 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
@Ambd: I agree! The county tends to do things bass ackwards. Especially Ike Leggett. His idea is to do what he wants and then ignore the fallout.